Sunday, September 24, 2006

The Joshua Convergence

On Monday, September 25th and Tuesday, September 26th Aloma Baptist Church in Winter Park, Florida will be hosting a gathering of young men and women from Southern Baptist Churches across the nation. This gathering will be the inaugural meeting of the Joshua Convergence.

To find out more go to www.joshuaconvergence.com

May God Bless the Future of the Southern Baptist Convention!

For those interested and unable to attend I will provide a link later this week to view the Joshua Convergence online.

BR

32 comments:

peter lumpkins said...

Dr. Reynolds,

Hope you are well. BigDaddyWeave has an interesting take on TJC. Let us know how it went. With that, I am...

Peter

Wes Kenney said...

Wishing I had known about it sooner... ;-(

Charles Henry said...

What does "who unashamedly embrace biblical standards of separation and morality" mean?

Thank you,
Charles Henry

Jim said...

Ditto Charles question.

Anonymous said...

Charles Henry and Jim,

The statement is obvious to me. I bet I know one Oklahoma and one Georgia postor who will not be in attendance.

Bill Dickson

brad reynolds said...

Peter
I usually don't read someone's comments about an event before it occurs because they usually speak of that which they know not. However, I did read bigdaddyweave. Needless to say he was no exception to the rule.

I did not "head" up the convergence. In fact I was humbled to be in the presence of some of these young leaders. Dr. Stephen Rummage coordinated the event and Rev. Anthony George was an outstanding host pastor.

For those who wisely desire to reserve judgment until they hear and see who TJC are I will be posting a link tomorrow for any who desire to watch.

As for me, I was blessed, I feel the hand of God was powerfully on our time of worship and is blessing our feeble human efforts to honor Christ.
BR

brad reynolds said...

Charles Henry and Jim

If you are referencing abstinence of alcohol I feel confident in saying those at the Joshua Convergence would certainly say that was included in the biblical standards of separation and morality but they would never argue that is foundational.
BR

Charles Henry said...

Brad,

No I was not referencing Alcohol. I was just asking what that phrase means in their statement of purpose. I, literally, have never heard anyone say they "embrace biblical standards of separation and morality."

I assume that there are two things going on in that sentence - First, they embrace biblical standards of separation, and Second, they embrace biblical standards of morality.

If that is true, I have a full understanding what it means to embrace morality. But I do not know what it means to "embrace biblical standards of separation" - at least using that terminology.

I am just curious what it means, I am not trying to start a pro-Abstinence/pro-Moderation debate or anything like that.

Thank you,
Charles Henry

volfan007 said...

the joshua conference sounds great. i only wish that i could attend. how could anyone disagree with this, or make an issue out of this....ooohhh.....excuse me. i forgot about two certain blog sights that make an issue about everything, and are hyper critical about everything that does not fit thier criteria!


volfan007

Kevin Holmes (and still baptist by conviction) said...

For the most part, I like what I read on the about the Joshua Convergence. If I take what is written there at face value, I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment expressed. I'd like more information.

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but I wasn't aware of the meeting on Sept 25&26 until today (Sept 26). Was it a "by invitation only" meeting? I'd love to have been there.

Kevin

Pastor Mike said...

Kevin,
I just returned from the Joshua Convergence. I will blog about it on my blog in a day or two. But I will say it was not by invitation only. As far as I know, no invitations were sent. I found out about by word of mouth. Sorry you didn't find out about it sooner. It was an awesome time. The worship and messages on the principles of affirmation were great. The round table discussion this morning was a very informative time. Most of what happened will be on www.joshuaconvergence.com or links to the information. I encourage everyone to check it out. I will say this in closing, what took place was not politically motivated whatsoever. It was based completely on theological concerns that have arisen in the SBC. God bless.
Mike

Anonymous said...

VOLFAN007,

I imagine you are speaking of the same two I referred to from Oklahoma and Georgia. I am afraid that those two old boys will never see the light.

By the way did you notice that Mr. Berlison never did answer that Rabbit Guy. I find that odd. How much do you think it would cost to run those questions on the front page of the religion paper in his home town? Might be worth the money!

Bill Dickson

brad reynolds said...

Charles Henry,

I think when it comes to holiness...the idea that was being expressed carried with it the definitions of holiness in God's Word.

As Dr. Millard Erickson notes holiness has two connotations: 1) Moral purity; 2) Being set apart.

The first one I think you were clear on...the second one was being set apart from something to someone. It has the idea, in my mind at least, of being set apart from this world and too Christ. That is being separated from the loves of this world and separated to Christ.

Thanks for your question and your spirit...it gave me an opportunity to reveal more.

Hope this helps.

brad reynolds said...

Kevin
It began with some men who were concerned about some things they saw at the SBC inviting some like-minded friends to discuss it. It spread by word of mouth and some 40 men showed up.

Tomorrow you will be able to see TJC after 12PM at
alomachurch.org/joshua.wmv

BR

brad reynolds said...

Bill

I've noticed Wade has not answered those questions. Interesting.
BR

Jim Champion said...

A few questions

1. Why the need for TJC - was it in response to the Memphis Declaration. If so, was that because TJC folks felt like the Memphis folks dont appreciate the architects of the conservative resurgence enough?

2. why the lack of publicity in advance - I was not aware of TJC until I read it the day before on your blog. I assume that you knew of it in advace as you attended and spoke.

3.Other than honoring the architects of the resurgence, is there really a difference in TJC and Memphis? Both seemed to be directed at younger leaders, both are from people who are sympathtic to the conservative resurgence.

4. Is there a need for BFM2000, TJC and Memphis.

5. Is TJC another effort to divide conservatives into the right kind of conservative.

One last comment - In general I like what I have read on the TJC website, except for a couple of areas. I would like to see more of what you are for rather than what you are against. How will the signers of the TJC be any different than those who are the signers of Memphis?

In all honesty, I just dont see the need for TJC - although it did look like a great time of fellowship. I dont want to see it as another us vs them - we are seeing that enough already.

Jim Champion said...

Volfan

If you really want to know what Pastor Burleson thinks, ask him a direct question, even better have someone who has had a dialogue based on mutual respect ask him the question, Tim Rogers perhaps. Wade and Tim have disagreed but have not been disagreeable

Our rabbit friend does not ask questions in a manner that encourages response - I am reminded of the way the Phairisees asked Jesus quesions, in an attempt to trap him, when I read the rabbits questions.

When I read questions that are asked of Pastor Burleson in a respectful manner I have not seen them unanswered.

Anonymous said...

Brad,

Thank you for your enlightening response. I definitely agree that our concern should be separating from the world. I am also glad to hear that this is not concerned with separating ourselves from other brothers/sisters in Christ.

Grace, Mercy, and Peace,
Charles Henry

Anonymous said...

Jim Champion,

First, The signers of the Memphis Declaration were mostly disgruntled liberal pastors, many of which enjoy the taste of alcohol, and I think you know their intent is to sway the SBC more into line with liberal thought. There is nothing like a alcoholic, tongue speaking, woman pastor preaching at a future event. Perhpas Wade will run one after his McKissic run. Wade wants to be a KING-MAKER or QUEEN-MAKER!

Second, if Wade has nothing to hide then why not answer the questions. If the rabbitt guy really has phone records then perhpas Wade should fear the truth.

Bill Dickson

brad reynolds said...

Jim

Thank you for your questions.

I would never presume to answer for others…perhaps if you desire to know who we are, you could view the service tomorrow. Nevertheless, I will try and answer your questions.

1. Speaking for myself, I felt many of those characterized as “younger leaders” before the SBC did not speak for me. We would probably not see eye to eye on how broad we should make the convention. Therefore, I wanted to speak for myself.
2. I explained in my answer to Kevin
3. For me there was some major theological differences…but you judge for yourself.
4. A need? NO. IMHO there is not a need for the SBC. But I think there are times when we are called to stand up and say “this is who we are” and I further believe this was one of those times.
5. NO…this question was way way way off base…but I will assume you were honestly seeking answers, and thus I honestly answered.

Thanks for your concerns and comments. We are saying “this is who we are”…we desire all SB to be with us but if they choose not to, then so be it…this is still who we are.

God Bless
BR

HarveyTheRabbitt said...

Jim,

I have tried to get Wade to respond to me. I have even called his church 3 times, but he refuses to return my calls. I emailed him 10 days ago, but NO reply.

Why? Because he would have to admit that the claims are true or be exposed!

The Rabbitt

CB Scott said...

Bill Dickson,

I was there and you are a bare- faced liar.

I know it and Brad knows it. You step over the line on this one. Brad steps over the line if he does not confirm me.

To be specific the words "mostly", "disgruntled", "liberal" and "alcoholic" make you a low-life liar that should make a proper apology for such rude behavior or did your Mother and Daddy not stripe your tail enough for you to know when you owe such.

cb

brad reynolds said...

Bill
Thank you for your sincere desire for the SB to stay the course...I think some are missing the boat here.

Nevertheless, let me ask you to be kinder in your comments. I have failed to uphold this rule and feel I have allowed my comment section to not be Christ-honoring at times. I will try harder and I ask the forgiveness of all.

I am certainly not convinced that those who signed the Memphis declaration are liberal pastors. In fact I know some who signed it and I know they are not liberal.

Your theological concers are valid and I share them. But let's stay on the issues,
BR

HarveyTheRabbitt said...

Boys

The Rabbit Guy is history. I tracked him by his isp and he is no more.

Wade what is my next assignment?

CBS

brad reynolds said...

CB
I was responding when you did.

Now let me also express the same concern here to you my brother...let's stick to the issues and be kinder.
BR

brad reynolds said...

Charles,

There is no desire to separate ourselves from other brothers and sisters in Christ. Let me make this clear...we are all on the same team. We will disagree at times and thus we have denominations but we are on the same team. Even in the SBC we will disagree and some have left over disagreements but as long as we are all true believers we must uphold our unity without compromising truth.
BR

CB Scott said...

Brad,

Thank you. No one has called for staying on the issues more than me on your post and you know it to be true.

I do apologize to you. I have nothing to apologize to Dickson for. As you said once "if it walks like a duck............"

I do not want anyone to associate my name with being an alcoholic for many reasons and I will not tolerate such rude behavior from one that is just talking big that did not live through what we did.

Those MD folks are good to "ride the river with" as are, I am sure, the Convergence people. You know as well as I and for that matter Rummage that I can sigh the 7 articles and be honorable in doing so.

On the light side.

You know it was not me that killed Rabbit Guy for the corpe looks just too good:-) It has been fun Rabbit Guy and all that played along.

cb









cb

volfan007 said...

jim,

your posts seems to be very judgemental towards me. are you trying to scold me? are you insinuating something about me?

also, i dont posts on wade's blog anymore. after he deleted two or three of my posts, and then allowed others, many others, to verbally attack me and condemn me without a word. also, he really blessed me out one time, and accused me of saying something that i did not, and then he deleted his post. i asked for an apology, and he just deleted his post.

i apologized to him for saying that he was into ppl, whenever i honestly thought he was. but, i at least apologized to him for saying it. on the other hand, i received no apology.

i went to wade's blog the other day. a poster said that all of us who are for narrowing the tent, or keeping it as narrow as it is should leave the sbc and join some general baptist that is bob jones type of a denom. i had posted one time that certain ones might need to join another denom. if they wanted to be five pointers or charismatics, and i was attacked by many in the room for saying it. wade got onto me strong for saying such a thing. but, this man, was smiled upon by the room for his comments. i looked several times for wade to whip this fellow for his comment. the last i checked, he was not deleted, nor gotten onto.

thus, i dont post on wade's blog anymore. i dont trust the man.

volfan007

Jim Champion said...

Volfan

the only thing I judge you for is for rooting for the wrong UT! As I have read your posts over the past weeks and months it seemed to me that your comments on Pastor Burleson's blog were contentious, perhaps you did not mean them to be that way, but that is how they come across to me. that is the reason that I suggested that someone who has carried on a good diagloge with Pastor Burleson in the past ask him the questions that you want answered.

On the other hand, if the purpose of those questions is to simply try to twist them out of context for the purpose of running him down, I can understand why he would be reluctant to answer them. I am not saying that you would do it, but I have seen it done on other blogs

volfan007 said...

jim and all,

i dont hate wade. i am not on a vendetta to get wade. i am not fighting wade. my fight is not with flesh and blood. i fight the devil and lies and distortion of God's truth. in fact, i love wade in the Lord, and i hope the best for him. i sincerely do.

but, i dont like what wade is doing with his blog. i dont like the way he wants to broaden the tent. he goes too far.

also, when i ask questions it's just to know the answers. there's not some bad motive behind it to try to trip someone up. i would just honestly like to know.

also, i am not harveytherabbit. i am volfan. i dont even know harvey. i dont quite understand people confusing us as one and the same. i dont know harvey. i dont know where he lives....well, he told us about a rabbithole in russia...lol. i dont know his name. so, please, dont say that i am harvey, or think that we are the same, because we are not. i am sure that harvey is a great guy or girl...or pooka. but, i dont know him.

volfan007

volfan007 said...

jim,

ps. go vols!!!!!!

i do believe that smokey could take a longhorn down.

volfan007

Wade Burleson said...

Harvey the Rabbit,

You say,

"I have tried to get Wade to respond to me. I have even called his church 3 times, but he refuses to return my calls. I emailed him 10 days ago, but NO reply.

Why? Because he would have to admit that the claims are true or be exposed!"


Harvey, you are funny.

Did the conversation when you called the church go like this?

"God's grace to you, this is Emmanuel Baptist Church, may I help you?"

"Yes, this is Harvey the Wabbit. I would like to speak to Pastor Wade."

"I'm sorry, but Pastor Wade refuses to speak to talking wabbits."

"Dang it, this is the third time I've tried. Tell that Pastor Wade I demand he speak to me. My buckteeth are hurting from rubbing up against the mouthpiece of my phone."

"I'm sorry Mr. Wabbit, but Pastor Wade refuses to speak with you."

"Well dang it again. I'll just paw out an email on my wabbit MacIntosh."

"Ok, his email address is wade@emmanuelenid.org. I enjoyed visiting with you Mr. Wabbit. Goodbye."

Is this what happened?

Frankly, I never received a message that a wabbit had called.

Oh, and by the way, my evangelist grandfather made me memorize Revelation 21:8.

I don't know who you are.

But God does.

And I'm very comfortable with that knowledge.