tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post115612330585708429..comments2023-08-21T09:15:59.650-05:00Comments on Guardian Ministries: Blinded by our Sightbrad reynoldshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157144546208784852006-09-01T16:02:00.000-05:002006-09-01T16:02:00.000-05:00JoshI definitely agree.Thank you for your kind ben...Josh<BR/><BR/>I definitely agree.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your kind benediction and if you would remember me in prayer when you get a chance - my wife and I are expecting our first child soon:)<BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157122253931957132006-09-01T09:50:00.000-05:002006-09-01T09:50:00.000-05:00Ah. Perhaps Brother Wade isn't the one who needs ...Ah. Perhaps Brother Wade isn't the one who needs a vision check then. <BR/><BR/>Honestly I think its important for all of us who are Christians to examine ourselves pretty regularly to make sure our eyes are clear of logs, to make sure we are "in the Way." Don't you agree?<BR/><BR/>May the Lord bless you richly as you continue to serve Him...<BR/><BR/>JoshC. T. Lillieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13431758862607083871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157089922932251752006-09-01T00:52:00.000-05:002006-09-01T00:52:00.000-05:00JoshI have documented Wade's words - thus document...Josh<BR/><BR/>I have documented Wade's words - thus documentation, not hearsay:)<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the irony here is the irony of one who erroneously thinks he sees irony:)<BR/><BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157089734416204082006-09-01T00:48:00.000-05:002006-09-01T00:48:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.brad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157089596403191032006-09-01T00:46:00.000-05:002006-09-01T00:46:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.brad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157082503339250672006-08-31T22:48:00.000-05:002006-08-31T22:48:00.000-05:00I didn't even mention your name Brad--because its ...I didn't even mention your name Brad--because its not personal. Surely that took the sting out of it.<BR/><BR/>As I read your hearsay comment I was thinking that I could write exactly the same thing to you. If you did have documentation or anything other than hearsay you would already be presenting IT at the IMB trustee's meeting rather than postulating and making not-so obscure references to others. Why take up the torch against Pastor Burleson?<BR/><BR/>Am I the only one who can see the irony here?<BR/><BR/>JoshC. T. Lillieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13431758862607083871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157071006082636682006-08-31T19:36:00.000-05:002006-08-31T19:36:00.000-05:00JoshYou perfectly exhibit much of the problems amo...Josh<BR/><BR/>You perfectly exhibit much of the problems amongst many of the SB bloggers - HEARSAY, with no evidence. <BR/><BR/>You said "I have heard" and yet provided no evidence. If any employee or Trustee of the SBC signs the BFM2K without fully affirming it then they should step down. <BR/><BR/>If your comment was some sort of back-hand towards me...let me just say - repetition does not equal validation. Just because one repeats false accusations does not in any way validate them, rather it exhibits one's stubburness in remaining ignorant of the facts.<BR/><BR/>So we shall certainly disagree here.<BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1157058895710179322006-08-31T16:14:00.000-05:002006-08-31T16:14:00.000-05:00And so, if one cannot affirm in belief the BFM2K t...<I>And so, if one cannot affirm in belief the BFM2K then I do not agree with their being paid by the CP</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, I don't know Brad. I've heard there's more than a few folks working in the Southern Baptist Convention who have defined things for themselves and signed documents as a formality prerequisite to their service.<BR/><BR/>Personally I'd be way more comfortable with someone's service if they made their objections known before hand and then signed. But thats just me.<BR/><BR/>JoshC. T. Lillieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13431758862607083871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156972456853188352006-08-30T16:14:00.000-05:002006-08-30T16:14:00.000-05:00IMB MAgain…thank you for your work and I have pray...IMB M<BR/>Again…thank you for your work and I have prayed for you today, although I’m not sure where you are ministering (which is probably good for your security).<BR/><BR/>However, we shall disagree.<BR/><BR/>I think it does matter what those who sign the BFM2K believe. How would you feel if a professor at Southern Seminary said: “I signed the Abstract and agreed to operate under its guidelines and to work under it and not contrary to it but I don’t agree with it.” In other words let’s say a professor does not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ but signs the Abstract and affirms he will teach the resurrection of Christ, are you comfortable paying him with CP funds? I am not. The issue is what one believes, because inevitably one’s beliefs affect one’s practice.<BR/><BR/>And so, if one cannot affirm in belief the BFM2K then I do not agree with their being paid by the CP…thus it does matter who told the missionaries this…I am very curious as to who is speaking on behalf of the convention without our knowledge.<BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156971625885694212006-08-30T16:00:00.000-05:002006-08-30T16:00:00.000-05:00JimNot being invited back to teach and being fired...Jim<BR/>Not being invited back to teach and being fired are two different things in my book and I believe in the IRS book also.<BR/><BR/>Either the data given to the trustees was wrong or you are wrong...she apparently made some comments that could be construed as antagonistic toward the resurgence in class.<BR/><BR/>Finally, to accept a chapel speaking opportunity and then to expound Scripture to men and speak of women deacons, knowing full well the repercussions that might have with some of the Trustees was almost an invitation to a confrontation.<BR/><BR/>In the end, I do not doubt her godliness, her love for the Lord or her motives...but we will disagree on the issue of women teaching men - I think Paul did also.<BR/><BR/>PS - As I recall Dr. P was not president when she was not offered tenure.<BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156966253265710342006-08-30T14:30:00.000-05:002006-08-30T14:30:00.000-05:00JimJust a couple of corrections and clarifications...Jim<BR/><BR/>Just a couple of corrections and clarifications to your assertions and to answer your question.<BR/><BR/>Did women prophesy – Yes<BR/>Is prophesy simply speaking forth God’s Word - Yes<BR/>Was this an exception to the rule – Yes<BR/>Is discipling a new convert different from expounding God’s Word to men in a local church setting - Yes<BR/>Did Paul permit women to teach men in the local church – No<BR/>Were there women pastors in the NT church – No, at least none we no of Biblically or historically!<BR/><BR/>This coupled with the qualifications of I Timothy speaks volumes.<BR/> <BR/>Concerning Karen Bullock. I have a friend who was a Trustee at the time.<BR/>1) She was not fired. She was a presidential appointee who was not given tenure…thus her contract was not renewed.<BR/>2) She made antagonistic comments in her class concerning the conservative resurgence.<BR/>3) When given an opportunity to speak in chapel she accepted and then spoke and exegeted Romans 16 and Phoebe as a deaconess and thus defended women’s role in ministry…while supposedly bound by the BFM2K<BR/><BR/>Hope this helps clear things up<BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156963475850506202006-08-30T13:44:00.000-05:002006-08-30T13:44:00.000-05:00i graduated from mid america baptist seminary in m...i graduated from mid america baptist seminary in memphis, tn. i received a masters of divinity degree. <BR/> <BR/>volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156957032628946552006-08-30T11:57:00.000-05:002006-08-30T11:57:00.000-05:00You have missed the point.Those who signed the BFM...You have missed the point.<BR/><BR/>Those who signed the BFM2K, did so agreeing the work under it...within it...not contrary to it. <BR/><BR/>So regardless of what I, or others personally believe or have a problem with or have written a caveat to....those who are on the field are operating within the BFM2K's guidelines. To not do so, would quickly lead to being dismissed, as we have a high accountablity level.<BR/><BR/>So, it really doesn't matter who said this...if you signed...you are abiding....<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>imb mto-obey-is-betterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17246672981883943898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156956968971574412006-08-30T11:56:00.000-05:002006-08-30T11:56:00.000-05:00volfan007,I did't know you went to seminary?May I ...volfan007,<BR/><BR/>I did't know you went to seminary?<BR/><BR/>May I ask which one?<BR/><BR/>What degree did you receive?<BR/><BR/>A Brother for TruthWayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156950428585515772006-08-30T10:07:00.000-05:002006-08-30T10:07:00.000-05:00Blog Brad, BlogBlog Brad, BlogTim Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909751217844312917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156946353595727072006-08-30T08:59:00.000-05:002006-08-30T08:59:00.000-05:00in his name,a wise, old prof. from seminary, dr. r...in his name,<BR/><BR/><BR/>a wise, old prof. from seminary, dr. reginald barnard, once said, calvinism and arminianism are young men's religions. i agree with him.<BR/><BR/>i am not the one who is trying to get God and the bible to fit into my nice little five point box. i am not sold out to a system. i try to let God be who He is, and i try to just take the bible as it is.<BR/><BR/><BR/>God bless you,<BR/><BR/>volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156899447453079042006-08-29T19:57:00.000-05:002006-08-29T19:57:00.000-05:00Gentlemen Pardon my absence - I teach all day and ...Gentlemen <BR/>Pardon my absence - I teach all day and Mondays and Tuesdays.<BR/><BR/>Jim<BR/>There is NO EVIDENCE that women were pastors in the NT...did they minister - Yes. Were they pastors - NO. In fact, Paul would no have them teach a man in the local church.<BR/><BR/>by the way - no character assassination here...just the facts.<BR/><BR/>IMB M<BR/>First let me say thank you for your service...and I sincerely mean that...missionaries are my heroes. However, having said that I must state the issue is one of Convention Fidelity. If I could not affirm all of the BFM2K and the Abstract I would not sign them. We had that problem in the seminaries years ago when professors signed the Abstract while crossing their fingers - the result - a loss of theology. <BR/><BR/>The moment you open the door for anyone to sign the BFM2K without adhering to all of it you have opened the door for liberalism.<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with praying for and encouraging missionaries who have problems with the BFM2K. I have a major problem with paying them with CP funds! My opinion - If you can't sign the BFM2K and affirm its entirety, you don't need to be signing the back of the paychecks from the CP.<BR/><BR/>However, I have a question for you said "We were told that signing the BFM2000 meant that we agreed to operate under those guidelines EVEN IF WE DIDN'T AGREE with all of them." My question: who said that to you was it your RL or did it come from higher up? I think SB who pay the bills deserve to know who has spoken for the convention.<BR/><BR/>BRbrad reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01449596955689180340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156883093418550112006-08-29T15:24:00.000-05:002006-08-29T15:24:00.000-05:00volfan007I didn't know God had a point system as h...volfan007<BR/><BR/>I didn't know God had a point system as he looks at the Heart. It is very obvious that you (volfan007) whoever you are do have a point system based on all of your comments on Blog's that seek to Honor God's Word.<BR/><BR/>A Brother for Truth of God's WordWayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156880277353116172006-08-29T14:37:00.000-05:002006-08-29T14:37:00.000-05:00in his name,you posted this same thing on peter lu...in his name,<BR/><BR/>you posted this same thing on peter lumpkin's blog. and, i will tell you the same thing. all of us non-five pointers believe these verses too. we just dont put the same fatalistic spin on them that five pointers do. but, we do believe them.<BR/><BR/>volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156874063071980522006-08-29T12:54:00.000-05:002006-08-29T12:54:00.000-05:00My prayer is for all of God's childern to have eye...My prayer is for all of God's childern to have eye's to see and ear's to hear what God's Word say's. Because there are many false teachers today. Dr Charles Stanley preached on this on Sunday.<BR/><BR/>Rom 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebecca had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, <BR/>Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of his call-- <BR/>Rom 9:12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger." <BR/>Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." <BR/>Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! <BR/>Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." <BR/>Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. <BR/><BR/>A Brother in ChristWayne Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14218244632682134340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156869880402924362006-08-29T11:44:00.000-05:002006-08-29T11:44:00.000-05:00cb,i too say amen, bro.volfan007cb,<BR/><BR/>i too say amen, bro.<BR/><BR/><BR/>volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156814914177284132006-08-28T20:28:00.000-05:002006-08-28T20:28:00.000-05:00Brother CB,Amen!Blessings,TimBrother CB,<BR/><BR/>Amen!<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/>TimTim Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02909751217844312917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156793619034835942006-08-28T14:33:00.000-05:002006-08-28T14:33:00.000-05:00this feller in tn thought that wade said that he s...this feller in tn thought that wade said that he spoke in a private prayer language. if he didnt, then i apologize. i thought he did say that. i do know that he defends the right of someone to speak in a private prayer language...tongues, and they should be allowed in leadership positions. i know he's said that.<BR/><BR/>also, wade is losing credibility fast. he doesnt seem to understand just how bad things were in the sbc back before the conservative resurgence took place and was able to change things. also, he wants to include...in leadership positions...men who defended the liberals right to teach in our sbc seminaries. they stood with the moderates and liberals back during the resurgence. he is also saying that men who are a part of the cbf should be considered in leadership positions once again. <BR/><BR/>i feel that any man who was a part of the cbf...unless they repent....should not be in leadership positions. any man who defended the liberals right to spread his false teachings should not be considered for leadership...unless they repent of thier wrong actions. we dont need people like that leading anything in the sbc.<BR/><BR/>i know that some will call me a meany. others may want to call me the devil. but, the sbc is too precious to let it go down the liberal drain like we were about to do in the 70's and 80's...before the conservatives could really take over.<BR/><BR/>from sweet, lovable, huggable,<BR/><BR/>volfan007volfan007https://www.blogger.com/profile/15635929001030697924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156781574818972272006-08-28T11:12:00.000-05:002006-08-28T11:12:00.000-05:00Jim,Not everyone that brings a question to Wade is...Jim,<BR/><BR/>Not everyone that brings a question to Wade is in any way a member of the "Paige's Boy club".<BR/><BR/>Wade, just like Paige, is wrong about some things. For Wade to have said that there were maybe about 5 liberals teaching in SBC seminaries in the "war days" is just not correct.<BR/><BR/>For Paige to try to control trustee boards is also wrong.<BR/><BR/>For you to say that most Baptist blogs are responses to Wade's blog is either a bad joke or very poor observation on your part.<BR/><BR/>cbCB Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02230652312241919771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30205757.post-1156781034139642182006-08-28T11:03:00.000-05:002006-08-28T11:03:00.000-05:00Brad, it would be a good idea if you had all your ...Brad, it would be a good idea if you had all your facts straight before you make accusations!<BR/><BR/>Does Wade have to answer every question that comes his way? Silence is now evidence of guilt?<BR/><BR/>Yes, Wade signed the BFM2000 just like all of us on the field. (He's said this in a post weeks ago.)<BR/><BR/>We were told that signing the BFM2000 meant that we agreed to operate under those guidelines EVEN IF WE DIDN'T AGREE with all of them. If we had concerns, then we could write about these under our signature. Again, signing meant that you agreed to work under these guidelines.<BR/><BR/>Isn't this also what Wade did?<BR/><BR/>Are you now going to come after all of us (of whom there are many) that signed agreement to abide by the BFM2000 in spite of our concerns?<BR/><BR/>IMB M (security 3 country)to-obey-is-betterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17246672981883943898noreply@blogger.com